tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6239694080870817712.post6171344463571507388..comments2024-03-01T01:07:13.368-07:00Comments on No, but seriously: Police BiasSteven Pricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01856604112181023270noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6239694080870817712.post-22048130393213211162011-11-05T22:31:34.903-06:002011-11-05T22:31:34.903-06:00I guess another way to look at it is how much pote...I guess another way to look at it is how much potential danger is there? For the cyclist 99% of the danger is to him/herself. For the car, it's a danger to pedestrians, cyclists and other cars. <br />Here in Houston it's almost a sport to see how long after the light turns red you can run the intersection. I've lost count how many near misses I've seen or been involved in because some a@#hole thinks he (and it does mostly seem to be men) has the right to run the red.<br />While I agree it's a double standard, I have no problem with the cop going after the car and all but ignoring the cyclist. And being in the fire service here in Houston I've seen way too many car accidents where someone in a car has run a red and t-boned some innocent driver or cyclist.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15041821712022471596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6239694080870817712.post-83945438338135461642011-11-01T17:12:37.781-06:002011-11-01T17:12:37.781-06:00How silly is that. Red should be red.How silly is that. Red should be red.Klaashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17099160707555168575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6239694080870817712.post-24598702496501924882011-11-01T08:17:17.512-06:002011-11-01T08:17:17.512-06:00Incidentally, I bike to work during the warmer mon...Incidentally, I bike to work during the warmer months. So I am very aware of both sides of the issue.Ars.Gladiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14037023315892538237noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6239694080870817712.post-21863785179321167282011-11-01T08:16:07.727-06:002011-11-01T08:16:07.727-06:00Even if it was in Idaho, the bike must still come ...Even if it was in Idaho, the bike must still come to a full and complete stop at a red light, but may proceed if safe to do so, but must still yield to traffic that does have the right of way.<br /><br />"A person operating a bicycle or human-powered vehicle approaching a steady red traffic control light shall stop before entering the intersection and shall yield to all other traffic. Once the person has yielded, he may proceed through the steady red light with caution."<br /><br />The police officer, while justified in stopping the car that ran the red light on a left turn, should also have stopped the bike for running the red light, as they did brake the law (even in Idaho).Ars.Gladiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14037023315892538237noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6239694080870817712.post-2987380534003717282011-10-31T21:40:24.465-06:002011-10-31T21:40:24.465-06:00Silas,
The entire state of Idaho, for one. Chris,...Silas,<br /><br />The entire state of Idaho, for one. Chris, I'm sorry that Utah doesn't emulate this model, but it's bias in and of itself to claim police bias without knowing all the facts surrounding a situation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6239694080870817712.post-84226714194790442022011-10-31T18:39:36.032-06:002011-10-31T18:39:36.032-06:00... and if there are indeed such 'rules of the...... and if there are indeed such 'rules of the road for bicyclists' the ones that invented them should be rocketed to a planet of their own.Klaashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17099160707555168575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6239694080870817712.post-4327843556572949222011-10-31T10:07:17.483-06:002011-10-31T10:07:17.483-06:00"Many jurisdictions state that for these road..."Many jurisdictions state that for these road users, a stop light or stop sign can be treated as a yield" - kindly name one, please? Because I submit that that's a load of bollocks.Silas Humphreyshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10639832677140104872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6239694080870817712.post-89440431355777579252011-10-31T08:27:41.556-06:002011-10-31T08:27:41.556-06:00Utah law defines bicycles as vehicles, and all veh...Utah law defines bicycles as vehicles, and all vehicles must obey all traffic signs and signals. For the same reason, cyclists are not allowed on the sidewalks any more than cars are, although that doesn't stop them.<br />From the Utah cyclist handbook (http://www.udot.utah.gov/main/uconowner.gf?n=55126312117091464) : "Your bicycle is considered a vehicle and you have the same rights and are subject to the same provisions as the operator of any<br />other vehicle (41-6a-1102). <b>This includes obeying traffic signals (41-6a-305), stop and yield signs (41-6a-902), and all other<br />official traffic control devices (41-6a-208).</b>"<br /><br />Please don't paint me as biased without first doing your own research.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15322134770888868709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6239694080870817712.post-44548181879275534722011-10-31T08:11:11.140-06:002011-10-31T08:11:11.140-06:00You must not be that intimately acquainted with th...You must not be that intimately acquainted with the rules of the road for bicyclists. Many jurisdictions state that for these road users, a stop light or stop sign can be treated as a yield - the reasoning being that it takes a great deal of physical effort to get started again on your bike from a complete stop, especially on a hill. The burden is on the bicyclist to use sensible judgement when going across the road, although I have seen a number of riders not use this wisely. If the bike rider yielded to cross traffic before crossing the road, there's a good chance that he didn't do anything wrong.<br /><br />I may be wrong, but it seems like you've been posting so much about how stupid all American law enforcement officers are that you've developed your own bias.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com